Ok guys, how bout I give you a good old fashioned written out confessional. Because there is a lot to talk about.
Coming into this merge, I know a few things. First I need to stick with Joe and Rich. If we are together, I know we will be able to align our votes, and still not have huge targets on us. But if say one of us strays, that makes me a little less confident in what the other two will do. So keeping us three tights is a huge priority.
Secondly I want to solidify things with Cody. I know he is a smart guy, and it benefits me huge to play this game with him. For powers of course, but I see me and him taking this game very far. We built a good relationship on New Aguila, and I plan on sticking to that. He seems down in the game right now, and needs someone like me to fight for him. I'm not sure why he got the short end of the stick, but I dont like whats going on at the end of it! If New La Arana is going to target him, it just confirms to me that people from green, are not people I want to associate myself with. And I'd rather them gtfo.
The problem comes with Jacob and Joes relationship. Jacob is a loud member of the other side, and he will fight hard to pull Joe into him. Luckily Joe and I talked early on about this, and he said himself that he knows Jacob is sneaky. So I need to just drill it into his brain that Jacob is not someone he wants to walk close to. It makes sense for us to stick with someone like Cody. Rich and I dont have any sort of relationship with the other 4 (Sassy, Bryan, John, Jacob) so there is no sense in us playing this game with them.
If I can make sure that myself, Joe, Rich, Cody, and TJ all vote the same, we will at least tie it. And then maybe something fun can happen with the idol.
First task is pulling Joe away from Jacob.
[2013-08-07 9:49:19 PM] Billy Debney: so whats the talk about red getting back together??
[2013-08-07 9:49:30 PM] Joe: oh
[2013-08-07 9:49:32 PM] Joe: yes
[2013-08-07 9:50:36 PM] Joe: well
[2013-08-07 9:50:37 PM] Joe: basically
[2013-08-07 9:50:47 PM] Joe: I was told by Jacob
[2013-08-07 9:51:00 PM] Joe: that the old red guys - Bryan Cody TJ
[2013-08-07 9:51:05 PM] Joe: wanted to get back together
[2013-08-07 9:51:15 PM] Joe: and that they used to have an alliance before tribe swap
[2013-08-07 9:51:21 PM] Joe: when I talked to Cody earlier
[2013-08-07 9:52:30 PM] Billy Debney: my only thing is trusting Jacob
[2013-08-07 9:52:36 PM] Billy Debney: you said yourself that he is sketchy
[2013-08-07 9:53:10 PM] Joe: right
[2013-08-07 9:53:22 PM] Joe: but I dont think he would lie about something like that
[2013-08-07 9:53:25 PM] Joe: when I asked Cody later
[2013-08-07 9:53:30 PM] Joe: about possibly voting out TJ or Bryan
[2013-08-07 9:53:34 PM] Joe: he was not down at all
[2013-08-07 9:54:26 PM] Joe: so thats why I believe him
[2013-08-07 9:55:01 PM] Billy Debney: i dunno he is kind of unsure about bryan it seems
[2013-08-07 9:55:39 PM] Billy Debney: and Sassy is 100% with Jacob
[2013-08-07 9:55:53 PM] Billy Debney: so red isn't one big happy family
[2013-08-07 9:55:57 PM] Joe: oh for sure
[2013-08-07 9:56:03 PM] Joe: but if he isnt willing to even put a vote on them
[2013-08-07 9:56:08 PM] Joe: thats why I was confused
[2013-08-07 9:56:16 PM] Billy Debney: because it gives green the edge...
[2013-08-07 9:56:21 PM] Billy Debney: cody is with us
[2013-08-07 9:56:23 PM] Billy Debney: i know he is
[2013-08-07 9:56:41 PM] Billy Debney: if TJ goes….it will only bring sassy closer to jacob
[2013-08-07 9:56:41 PM] Joe: I dont want Cody to go
[2013-08-07 9:56:49 PM] Joe: I think he's a good target to keep
[2013-08-07 9:57:15 PM] Billy Debney: and i think TJ is a good vote to keep
[2013-08-07 9:57:18 PM] Billy Debney: i believe he will vote with us
[2013-08-07 9:57:23 PM] Joe: I dont know about TJ
[2013-08-07 9:57:25 PM] Joe: he never talks game with me
[2013-08-07 9:57:29 PM] Joe: at all
[2013-08-07 9:58:49 PM] Billy Debney: well still. i see him being more beneficial to us
[2013-08-07 9:58:55 PM] Billy Debney: cody can control him
[2013-08-07 9:59:15 PM] Billy Debney: but yea cody is not as tight with bryan or sassy as you would think
[2013-08-07 9:59:22 PM] Billy Debney: he'd be more loyal to uys
[2013-08-07 9:59:28 PM] Joe: okay
[2013-08-07 9:59:32 PM] Joe: who would you want to vote out then ?
[2013-08-07 9:59:45 PM] Billy Debney: i mean we have to be smart about it
[2013-08-07 9:59:57 PM] Billy Debney: because you don't want to ruin any pull you have with jacob I'm assuming
[2013-08-07 10:00:51 PM] Billy Debney: what if we took out sassy?
[2013-08-07 10:01:00 PM] Billy Debney: she seems to be a wildcard
[2013-08-07 10:01:02 PM] Joe: if we took out sassy Jacob would be livid with me haha
[2013-08-07 10:01:03 PM] Joe: but
[2013-08-07 10:01:05 PM] Joe: I think its good
[2013-08-07 10:01:23 PM] Joe: he'll definitely try and do a campaign
[2013-08-07 10:01:27 PM] Joe: against me
[2013-08-07 10:01:31 PM] Billy Debney: well maybe we need to trick him
[2013-08-07 10:01:36 PM] Joe: if the votes are close
[2013-08-07 10:01:40 PM] Joe: I can definitely deny deny deny
[2013-08-07 10:01:40 PM] Billy Debney: and act like we are voting with him
[2013-08-07 10:03:40 PM] Joe: hmm
[2013-08-07 10:03:44 PM] Joe: thats an option
[2013-08-07 10:03:48 PM] Joe: but I might be fucked
[2013-08-07 10:03:52 PM] Joe:
[2013-08-07 10:03:55 PM] Billy Debney: no because then we will have numbers
[2013-08-07 10:04:00 PM] Billy Debney: do you want to play this game with Jacob?
[2013-08-07 10:04:03 PM] Billy Debney: or do you want him gone soon
[2013-08-07 10:04:09 PM] Joe: I just dont want to piss him off early in merge
[2013-08-07 10:04:15 PM] Joe: but I understand if thats the case
[2013-08-07 10:04:25 PM] Billy Debney: its just a matter of where sides have fallen
[2013-08-07 10:04:31 PM] Billy Debney: and i feel green is tighter than red
[2013-08-07 10:04:33 PM] Joe: okay so who would we have
[2013-08-07 10:04:37 PM] Billy Debney: and they may have pulled in bryan and sassy
[2013-08-07 10:04:39 PM] Joe: for this vote
[2013-08-07 10:04:44 PM] Billy Debney: myself, you, rich, cody, TJ
[2013-08-07 10:04:47 PM] Billy Debney: those are for sure
[2013-08-07 10:04:50 PM] Billy Debney: and all we need to tie it
[2013-08-07 10:04:57 PM] Joe: ok
[2013-08-07 10:05:04 PM] Joe: I really think
[2013-08-07 10:05:10 PM] Joe: that green is tight
It sometimes hard to understand the way Joe thinks. He makes decision very quickly. I know he is tight with me and Rich, so I believe that he will actually stick with us, and go against Jacob and co. It is very important for my game that they take the hit this round. And if that means going after Sassy instead of one of the guys, I'm down for it. And I know Cody will be too. Its not about Red and Green anymore.
When it comes to Rich, you just need to reassure him that you are solid with him. And then he is the most loyal guy around. If this isnt how he is, my mind will be blown. I dont have to try too hard with him. If you map something out logically, he agrees with you. As long as it helps US. It is great playing with someone like this.
[2013-08-07 10:37:57 PM] Billy Debney: well jacob is pitching the idea of getting cody out
[2013-08-07 10:38:03 PM] Billy Debney: and said he thought you might be down for it
[2013-08-07 10:38:08 PM] Billy Debney: but we need to stick with cody
[2013-08-07 10:38:18 PM] Rich Zamora: i want TJ or Sassy out
[2013-08-07 10:38:26 PM] Billy Debney: basically new aguila need to stick together
[2013-08-07 10:38:37 PM] Rich Zamora: but no one is cooperating so im down with whatver you and joe wants to do
[2013-08-07 10:38:55 PM] Rich Zamora: can we trust TJ and/or Zavi?
[2013-08-07 10:39:02 PM] Billy Debney: well i know we can trust cody
[2013-08-07 10:39:02 PM] Rich Zamora: or Kurtis for that matter
[2013-08-07 10:39:07 PM] Billy Debney: and he can get tj
[2013-08-07 10:39:16 PM] Billy Debney: and joe and cody have both talked to kurtis
[2013-08-07 10:39:21 PM] Billy Debney: and i think he wants to stick with us too
[2013-08-07 10:39:40 PM] Billy Debney: cause the 4 new blue guys
[2013-08-07 10:39:42 PM] Billy Debney: are tight
[2013-08-07 10:39:54 PM] Rich Zamora: johhn, jacob, bryan and who?
[2013-08-07 10:40:02 PM] Billy Debney: sassy
[2013-08-07 10:40:10 PM] Rich Zamora: yeah thats a given
[2013-08-07 10:40:13 PM] Billy Debney: yup
[2013-08-07 10:40:29 PM] Rich Zamora: i was telling you the other day, that if can manage a final seven of the new aguila
[2013-08-07 10:40:34 PM] Rich Zamora: but you said you dont think that can happen
[2013-08-07 10:40:41 PM] Billy Debney: and at the time i didn't think it could
[2013-08-07 10:40:53 PM] Billy Debney: but i think kurtis also sees whats gone on over there
[2013-08-07 10:40:57 PM] Billy Debney: and sees a better chance with us
[2013-08-07 10:41:14 PM] Rich Zamora: but who's to say kurtis is not with them?
[2013-08-07 10:41:30 PM] Billy Debney: i know
[2013-08-07 10:41:33 PM] Billy Debney: thats the scary part
[2013-08-07 10:41:42 PM] Billy Debney: i will talk to him
[2013-08-07 10:41:46 PM] Billy Debney: and get a feel for him
[2013-08-07 10:42:14 PM] Rich Zamora: ok
[2013-08-07 10:42:25 PM] Billy Debney: regardless
[2013-08-07 10:42:29 PM] Billy Debney: with Zavi not voting
[2013-08-07 10:42:36 PM] Billy Debney: me you joe cody and tj tie it
[2013-08-07 10:42:41 PM] Billy Debney: and maybe we can use the idol to benefit us
[2013-08-07 10:43:55 PM] Rich Zamora: i have 50 pesos so i dont have enough money for shit
[2013-08-07 10:44:04 PM] Billy Debney: haha
[2013-08-07 10:44:45 PM] Rich Zamora: i just dont know if TJ will go with us
[2013-08-07 10:44:50 PM] Rich Zamora: but if cody can guarantee it
[2013-08-07 10:44:54 PM] Billy Debney: i think he can
[2013-08-07 10:44:57 PM] Billy Debney: but of course we will see
[2013-08-07 10:45:20 PM] Billy Debney: we still have a lot of time until the vote is due
Again things side towards voting out Sassy. And as long as word doesnt get to the other side, I highly doubt we would see her playing an idol.
Then of course the time has to come when the other side comes in for a chat. And of course, it comes from Jacob.
[2013-08-07 10:05:23 PM] Playboyy: Heyyyyyyyyy!
[2013-08-07 10:06:03 PM] Billy Debney: hey man
[2013-08-07 10:06:05 PM] Billy Debney: whats up??
[2013-08-07 10:06:20 PM] Playboyy: Not much, I was wondering if you we could have some game talk really quickly
[2013-08-07 10:06:33 PM] Billy Debney: haha of course!
[2013-08-07 10:06:53 PM] Playboyy: Alright, just going to lay it all out on the table and hopefully you can respect me for it.
[2013-08-07 10:06:59 PM] Playboyy: Cody, that's who I want.
[2013-08-07 10:07:14 PM] Billy Debney: to get out?
[2013-08-07 10:07:21 PM] Playboyy: No to stay in.
[2013-08-07 10:07:22 PM] Playboyy: Jk.
[2013-08-07 10:07:26 PM] Playboyy: To get out
[2013-08-07 10:07:27 PM] Billy Debney: baha
[2013-08-07 10:07:29 PM] Billy Debney: ok
[2013-08-07 10:07:34 PM] Billy Debney: any reasoning ?
[2013-08-07 10:09:03 PM] Playboyy: Is there any chance I could call you? It's easier to explain.
[2013-08-07 10:09:06 PM] Playboyy: If not then it's fine.
[2013-08-07 10:09:17 PM] Playboyy: Talking is so much easier than typing lol.
[2013-08-07 10:14:50 PM] Billy Debney: ah shit not right now man
[2013-08-07 10:14:51 PM] Billy Debney: sorry
[2013-08-07 10:15:02 PM] Playboyy: Oh no problem! Well basically here's the thing.
[2013-08-07 10:15:10 PM] Playboyy: Cody has the vote control.
[2013-08-07 10:15:36 PM] Playboyy: That's just way too much power for one person to have and it kind of might not matter now but once a few more people are gone
[2013-08-07 10:15:40 PM] Playboyy: that's a huge huge thing.
[2013-08-07 10:15:58 PM] Billy Debney: as in skylars power?
[2013-08-07 10:16:02 PM] Playboyy: Yes sir.
[2013-08-07 10:16:03 PM] Billy Debney: yea
[2013-08-07 10:16:06 PM] Billy Debney: thats the scary one...
[2013-08-07 10:16:31 PM] Playboyy: That's really the only malicious power left :/
[2013-08-07 10:16:45 PM] Billy Debney: the only problem of course is the idol
[2013-08-07 10:16:53 PM] Billy Debney: and i think cody is worried
[2013-08-07 10:17:20 PM] Billy Debney: lol also the fact that he says he is worried means…….we should probably worry about him
[2013-08-07 10:19:03 PM] Playboyy: Yeah exactly haha.
[2013-08-07 10:19:20 PM] Playboyy: Which means that even splitting votes would be difficult because of the idol AND the vote switch.
[2013-08-07 10:19:31 PM] Playboyy: Like I cannot play this game having to worry about BOTH every tribal council.
[2013-08-07 10:19:34 PM] Playboyy: You know?
[2013-08-07 10:19:42 PM] Billy Debney: god i wasn't even thinking about that power
[2013-08-07 10:20:04 PM] Billy Debney: the idol is like the main focus, but theres a lot of powers out there
[2013-08-07 10:20:05 PM] Billy Debney: haha
[2013-08-07 10:20:26 PM] Playboyy: Just vote control, black rock, and the singular immunity.
[2013-08-07 10:20:29 PM] Playboyy: *immunity
[2013-08-07 10:20:41 PM] Playboyy: but idt that one can be used as an idol, that one is used like a regular immunity.
[2013-08-07 10:20:55 PM] Billy Debney: yea i think it will be used this tribal
[2013-08-07 10:21:03 PM] Billy Debney: if it wasn't used at your last one
[2013-08-07 10:22:41 PM] Playboyy: Oops, I meant to say that I think that one CAN'T be used as an idol like they have to announce it before the ovte.
[2013-08-07 10:22:44 PM] Playboyy: It wasn't used at my last one.
[2013-08-07 10:23:07 PM] Billy Debney: yea so we will likely find out when tribal is posted
[2013-08-07 10:24:25 PM] Playboyy: Yeah.
[2013-08-07 10:24:32 PM] Playboyy: So I mean I don't know, what do you think can be done?
[2013-08-07 10:25:27 PM] Billy Debney: i dunno…..
[2013-08-07 10:25:36 PM] Billy Debney: do you think cody will bid on the idol??
[2013-08-07 10:26:07 PM] Playboyy: I think so.
[2013-08-07 10:26:17 PM] Billy Debney: ok who has the most money?
[2013-08-07 10:26:19 PM] Billy Debney: is it him??
[2013-08-07 10:26:25 PM] Playboyy: Let's check the
[2013-08-07 10:26:28 PM] Playboyy: thread no?
[2013-08-07 10:27:11 PM] Playboyy: Should we just assume worse
[2013-08-07 10:27:14 PM] Playboyy: and add 10 points
[2013-08-07 10:27:20 PM] Playboyy: I mean 20
[2013-08-07 10:27:24 PM] Billy Debney: i guess
[2013-08-07 10:27:25 PM] Playboyy: for like MVP or w/e
[2013-08-07 10:27:25 PM] Billy Debney: lol
[2013-08-07 10:27:27 PM] Billy Debney: oh right
[2013-08-07 10:27:41 PM] Playboyy:
Billy: 244
Bryan: 240
Cody: 289
Jacob: 110 -61
Joe: 217
John: 146 -61
Kurtis: 199
Rich: 225
Sassy: 92
Slayer: 57
TJ: 289 -61
TQ: 222
Zavi: 159
[2013-08-07 10:28:27 PM] Playboyy: I added those -61's to my name sassy and john because he had to pool pesos
[2013-08-07 10:28:31 PM] Playboyy: to vote TQ out.
[2013-08-07 10:28:37 PM] Billy Debney: oh ok
[2013-08-07 10:28:49 PM] Playboyy: Ummm
[2013-08-07 10:28:51 PM] Playboyy: how much did
[2013-08-07 10:28:52 PM] Playboyy: the
[2013-08-07 10:28:53 PM] Playboyy: thing go for
[2013-08-07 10:28:58 PM] Billy Debney: thats what I'm looking at
[2013-08-07 10:29:00 PM] Billy Debney: what number was it?
[2013-08-07 10:29:12 PM] Billy Debney: oh
[2013-08-07 10:29:13 PM] Billy Debney: 120
[2013-08-07 10:29:43 PM] Billy Debney: lie
[2013-08-07 10:29:44 PM] Billy Debney: 111
[2013-08-07 10:29:48 PM] Playboyy: Let's add
[2013-08-07 10:29:49 PM] Playboyy: 20
[2013-08-07 10:29:53 PM] Playboyy: incase he's gotten
[2013-08-07 10:29:56 PM] Playboyy: 10 each for his journals.
[2013-08-07 10:29:58 PM] Billy Debney: yea
[2013-08-07 10:30:37 PM] Playboyy: So 131.
[2013-08-07 10:30:41 PM] Playboyy: That's a decent amount.
[2013-08-07 10:30:44 PM] Billy Debney: yup it is
[2013-08-07 10:30:56 PM] Billy Debney: and if he thinks he isn't safe
[2013-08-07 10:30:58 PM] Billy Debney: he will bet it all
[2013-08-07 10:31:12 PM] Playboyy: Exactly.
[2013-08-07 10:31:19 PM] Playboyy: + his vote control
[2013-08-07 10:31:37 PM] Playboyy: If he kind of knew where votes were falling and stuff
[2013-08-07 10:31:44 PM] Playboyy: he could maybe choose who goes home you know
[2013-08-07 10:31:52 PM] Billy Debney: of course he could
[2013-08-07 10:32:02 PM] Billy Debney: so do we strike this round?
[2013-08-07 10:32:14 PM] Billy Debney: or get out TJ, who i assume will stick with cody
[2013-08-07 10:32:42 PM] Playboyy: Well ideally there could be a split.
[2013-08-07 10:33:00 PM] Playboyy: But then he could switch a vote or buy an idol and that's where it gets messy.
[2013-08-07 10:33:06 PM] Playboyy: I whole heartedly believe that
[2013-08-07 10:33:28 PM] Playboyy: John, Bryan, Sassy want Cody out as well
[2013-08-07 10:33:42 PM] Playboyy: I talked to Rich a little and basically told him what I'm telling youbecause I think
[2013-08-07 10:33:58 PM] Playboyy: Cody leaving benefits everybody and puts everyone on the same playing field
[2013-08-07 10:34:07 PM] Playboyy: Rich seemed to be open to the idea for Cody to go.
[2013-08-07 10:34:22 PM] Billy Debney: yea I will talk to him and see what he thinks
[2013-08-07 10:34:27 PM] Playboyy: Which is why I have to talk to you and Joe and Kurtis
[2013-08-07 10:34:37 PM] Playboyy: And I think Joe would be down.
[2013-08-07 10:34:46 PM] Billy Debney: ok
[2013-08-07 10:34:53 PM] Billy Debney: well lets see what happens with immunity
[2013-08-07 10:34:55 PM] Billy Debney: and go from there
[2013-08-07 10:35:47 PM] Playboyy: Alrighttttt. I just figured I'd start now before Cody gets in everyones ear lol.
[2013-08-07 10:35:54 PM] Billy Debney: yea good call
If I can get Jacob to think that we are actually on his side, it will benefit us huge! Since the likeliest vote is going to be a tie, all we need to know is where to throw the idol. That way we dont even need to worry about a revote situation. I just need to make sure Joe and Rich have on the same game face I do. I need their full attention to pull this off.
I cant even begin to descirbe how important this first vote is. I need certain people around me in this game. And if this vote goes in the favour of the other side, those people will leave.
My god, all this and we dont even know who won immunity.
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