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John
Aug 27, 2013 3:08:37 GMT
Post by Host Sandy on Aug 27, 2013 3:08:37 GMT
John, please post your Questions/Statements to Joe, Kurtis & Rich here.
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Post by John on Aug 27, 2013 14:07:21 GMT
Hello, gentlemen! Remember me? It’s been a while. Hopefully you’re all totally stoked to be here. Congratulations are definitely in order, so good on y’all.
I have now read/watched all of your opening statements. I think that one of you has done a good job of putting his best foot forward, but there was an incongruity I noticed in that video that I would like cleared up first. Joe, you hoped that my argument with Kurtis before I was sent to the jury would work in your favor should I still be bitter at this point. That implies to me that you anticipated sitting next to Kurtis at this final stage of the game; however, you later insinuate that Kurtis’ immunity win at F4 prevented you from voting him out. What changed?
Now that I understand a bit more about where all of your heads have been and how you viewed the game, I suppose I’m expected to lay out a bit of what I think. A consequence of me being voted out before all of these other jurors, and the very round of the merge when I first met one of you no less, is that I’m quite far removed from the game by now. Kurtis could hope that as the only finalist to ever sit on a tribe with me, his personal connection with me could secure my vote. It should be no secret to him that I respected him as a player, was open to working with him rather closely in this game, and just generally found his company enjoyable. Joe seems to think that I’m a bitter juror, and unlike the other two finalists, he’s never lied to me. To be quite honest, I don’t know what Rich hopes as far as my vote goes, but he likely will have to work the hardest to secure it. Sorry, Rich. I see some of these considerations as potential factors in my decision, but frankly I’m very much undecided right now. I hope that this final tribal council will enlighten me.
There are moments when I think I want to reward strategic gameplay, there are others when I think that I would like to reward the cleanest game, and still others when I think about casting a vote out of spite. This is my first time ever serving on a jury, and out of respect for the hosts, the finalists, my fellow jurors, and myself, I want to cast a vote that I can be proud of. I’ve struggled with what the right way to do that is, and only just within the last day I’m beginning to think that there isn’t actually a right or wrong way to vote. It’s my jury vote, and I have the right to do with it as I please. Like I mentioned before though, enough time has passed that I’m not as invested in the game as I once was, so I’ve also experienced some spells of apathy, and that’s what leads into my task for the three of you. Rather than running mental circles to figure out how I want to vote, I’m just going to make the three of you do all of that work for me. Using what you have learned about me in this game and what you think you know about my values, I ask you to simply explain to me why I should vote for you. You explained in your opening statements why any juror should vote for you, but every jury is a collection of individual personalities and viewpoints, and all three of you had a hand in shaping this jury. Now that the die is cast, so to speak, I am hoping to see that each of you made smart decisions for yourselves that took into consideration what you know about me, and at the same time I would like to see you critically evaluate your game in that regard. Hopefully you find this quite simple and straightforward. I know you have seven other jurors to address, so I’d rather not waste anyone’s time with irrelephant (hey, you ) malarkey.
Again, congratulations to all three of you. I’m truly happy for you and I wish you all the best as you tackle this final tribal council.
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Post by kurtis on Aug 27, 2013 19:45:24 GMT
: Hey John!!
Sorry I'm not giving you a video--not from lack of love but lack of time.
I completely concur that you were the person whom I found most enjoyable in the game to talk with and be around. If we had tribe swapped onto the same team, I assume you would've made it further with me. Directly after merge the plan was to maintain bonds with every single person in the game while cutting down either side and remaining a viable option for everyone to work with. Voting you out allowed me to cozy up to Joe/Rich/Billy/Cody/TJ and I knew I would be able to swing back over to Jacob/Sassy/Bryan because they limited their options by feuding with Cody.
In an extremely early confessional I let the isurvivor universe (the 3 people who masturbate to our confessionals) know that I both loved you and was going to get you out at the very first opportunity. When merge happened I knew I had a huge power position and basically got to choose who left. I targeted you, TJ, and Bryan because I recognized you three as the people who would be most difficult to beat at the end because you're all much sweeter than me, more likable than me, and decent players. Once Jacob and co. targeted Billy (and later Cody) and were completely unwilling to hear out voting for TJ, I decided to roll with blue/cody/TJ for the vote. This is what I mean about flexibility... it's SO important to recognize the wants of others and to allow them to think they are getting what they want. Of course, the problem is that it is an invidual game and other people getting what they want usually isn't what I wanted. Any time people showed they were inflexible, I marked them off as unworkable for that round and figured out another way to get out a target.
You vote however you want and I'll be totally happy with the outcome either way, but understand that I was playing an extremely strategic game and emotion/friendship had nothing to do with how I voted. If Joe made sense to be voted out at any point in time, he wouldn't be here either. This may seem calculated and cut throat, and I guess it is, but how is that any different from anything you guys did? I just did it better AND usually retained friendships and the ability to work with you after taking out an ally. What makes anyone else a "better person" than anyone else in the game? I assume were all "good"... although we clearly have way too much time on our hands...
Anyway, assuming were all decent people, and taking into consideration that we're playing a game of Survivor... am I a less decent person for lying to get to the end? If I didn't lie to you that round, I would've lied to cody/joe/rich/ect. Are you a better person than them? Because I met you earlier in the game (about a week and a half), do I owe you my allegiance in the game? For me, the answer to these questions are "no." If you have a different answer, then I certainly wouldn't expect your vote.
This was effing wordy. To sum up, I don't know how you're voting either. I do like you and intend on maintaining contact with you after the game, but that shouldn't influence how you vote (in my mind). You left because you're a threat and were the most logical choice for me to make at the time. You can take that as a compliment or an insult. In terms of strategy, social skills, and (after the last two rounds), challenge ability, I was better than Rich and Joe. If that matters to you, I deserve your vote.
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Aug 27, 2013 20:34:25 GMT
Post by John on Aug 27, 2013 20:34:25 GMT
I probably should have reiterated my task for clarity at the end of my admittedly verbose jury statement. What I am asking for from each finalist is a demonstration of both what you know about me and my values, and how you think I can find merit in your gameplay accordingly. Simply regurgitating platitudes that we can all see at any FTC is not really what I'm asking for. This can also be quite short, and detailed explanations of why I was voted out are unnecessary, though feel free to include them if you think that will support your argument. Joe and Rich, I hope that helps you when you attempt to respond in this thread. Kurtis, if that wasn't clear or you think of something else you would like to add now, please feel free. Otherwise, I will take from your answer that I should vote for you because you think that I respect strategy, social skills, and challenge ability.
Here are some hints for everyone. If you're so confident in your game that you feel you excel in every aspect of Survivor, unless you think that's exactly what I'm looking for, your response will benefit from a focus on what you believe is most important to me. If you all seem to agree on what I value, then your responses will most help me differentiate between your games for voting purposes if they highlight how you demonstrated that value better than the other two. Please let me know if I'm still not clear.
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Post by kurtis on Aug 27, 2013 22:39:12 GMT
Hmm... I guess you value hard work? You work at a job you dislike yet you go every day and try your best... I worked harder than anyone else for damn sure, maybe you can respect that?
Yeah I have no idea what you're talking about. I played the game of Survivor the best. You are voting for a Survivor winner. Any other context that you are using beyond that is lost on me, not because I don’t LOVE you and know you well as a person, but because you're asking me to guess an obscure quality that isn't "outwit" "outplay" or "outlast" which is what we were all here to do.
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John
Aug 28, 2013 0:32:22 GMT
Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 0:32:22 GMT
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Aug 28, 2013 4:29:55 GMT
Post by John on Aug 28, 2013 4:29:55 GMT
Because you're all cocking it up, but I don't want to give up on this question, I will try to make this as clear as possible. I assert that it is indeed a question about your Survivor gameplay.
"I think John respects X. This is how I used X to advance in the game."
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Post by kurtis on Aug 28, 2013 4:33:34 GMT
ROUND THREE
John you respect/embody a strong social game. Apart from myself, you and Bryan showed the best social games within the game.
I used my social game to further myself constantly. For example, directly after voting you out, Jacob and Sassy called me. Within about a half hour I'd say, I was able to jump back in line with them in preparation for the Cody vote. Once again, after the Cody vote, all it took was a quick conversation with both TJ and Rich to ingratiate myself back into their good graces.
Part of this is due to my winsome personality which I'm sure you ALL love oh so much right about now lolol, but much of it comes from being able to straightforwardly and logically explain exactly why I made the moves I made to people I turned on. Also, I think people understood that I was willing to be completely flexible and remain open to hearing anyone's plots and plans. ANYWAY it just worked out for me.
This work?? KK HOPE SO LOVECHU
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Aug 28, 2013 4:50:11 GMT
Post by John on Aug 28, 2013 4:50:11 GMT
This works. If Joe and Rich want to follow suit, that would be helpful.
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John
Aug 28, 2013 5:39:26 GMT
Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 5:39:26 GMT
I believe that John respects strategic and logical thinking. Throughout the game I was able to think strategically with the Pesos twist as well as logically by targeting those who could come into power as well as work against me. I am aware that I was a target at times but came through virtually unscathed in regards to actual votes cast against me. This was only because of the thought that went into each and every single vote after the merge.
It was tough to keep a strategic/logical mindset in a game full of emotions but I tried to keep my feelings in check so that I could further myself in the game and I think that I somewhat succeed in that regard.
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John
Aug 29, 2013 4:20:38 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 29, 2013 4:20:38 GMT
John---the very few times we have chatted, I noticed that you wanted to play a strong game. Strong social game, strong in challenges, and strong in making moves in the game. I think this was your downfall. For what I know, which seems to be very little, you respected the competition of the game. You wanted to win just as much as I did for tribal challenges and individual (that one round you were in) and really wanted to play a competitive game.
I believe that you respect and admire people who compete. I wanted to compete in this game and wanted to play a strong player. I feel that I accomplished that by winning tribal challenges. Of course, those win were not JUST because of me, but just like you, I am also a great team player. I hope that make sense....take care. I know that you will make the right decision on who to vote for to win the game.
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Post by John on Aug 29, 2013 5:04:35 GMT
Thank you all. Between what I've seen elsewhere in FTC and what you all finally managed to provide here, my mind is made up. Good luck!
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