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Billy
Aug 27, 2013 3:09:33 GMT
Post by Host Sandy on Aug 27, 2013 3:09:33 GMT
Billy, please post your Questions/Statements to Joe, Kurtis & Rich here.
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Billy
Aug 27, 2013 16:56:11 GMT
Post by Billy on Aug 27, 2013 16:56:11 GMT
Congrats Final 3.
I wish I could say that this F3 makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. 2 of my main allies from day 1, and someone I thought I got really close to in this game are part of it! Why wouldnt I be happy??? We'll get to that.
-RICH-
Rich my man. I am happy to see you at the end. You're an awesome guy, and I always enjoyed talking to you. You showed right off the bat that you were here to play, and you got the riff raff tribes asses in gear to win some challenges. But do you deserve the win?? I'm not sure I can find anything to pin point as a game changing move. You're opening didnt really show me anything that makes me say, yea, Rich could actually win this thing. But of course as we know, you have two people who lied their way to the end. Something you were able to avoid.......as far as I know.
So here are my questions for you.
1. Explain to me what you knew about the round I left. And if it was a blindside to you as well, would you have tipped me off had you known what was going down?
2. Give me one move you made this game that changed the outcome for YOU.
3. Why do the other two guys not deserve my vote?
--check for more questions directed to all of you at the bottom--
-JOE-
Ohhhhhhh Joe. What the hell do I even say about you?!? I was completely blindsided by you. I had to keep reading the vote count to see if you were actually part of my demise. I trusted you a lot, and thought you trusted me as well. So leaving at the hands of you stings. I didnt even get a final message or anything from you. This is the first time we are speaking since I read the votes. Part of me is angry and wants you to lose. Part of me hopes you can change my mind and pull out a win. But you need to convince me that you actually deserve this game, and didnt cut my throat for no reason.
1. Walk me through my last tribal council. You really brushed off my vote off in your opening, and that kind of pissed me off. I was with you from day 1 just like Rich, and to me it seems like you tossed me aside just so you could make amends with someone you were going to vote out soon anyway.
2. At what point in this game did you not want me to make it to the end? And explain why Kurtis became a more important part of your game.
3. Give me a single move you made that changed the outcome for YOU.
-KURTIS-
Well Kurtis. We at least had a goodbye chat after I got the boot. But that chat might be a reason why you don't get my vote. You played a cutthroat game, and admitted that you can put aside the emotional part of the game. You admitted that you made relationships just to stab them in the back. Sure this is a good way to get to the end, but its a very strange way to pull out a win. When we talked right after the votes were read, you said something along the lines of "Well I'm happy I got to know you, blah blah blah" And I'm not just adding in that blah blah blah. Thats straight up what you said. Way to undermine anything we talked about, any relationship I thought we had. You basically told me right there that you didnt actually care. Oh, and the fact that you have played a million games doesnt make it ok for you to brush off people like this. I am an old school ORGer as well. Dating back to like....2003 or some shit. I have won plenty of games, got runner up in plenty of games, and I have never used people the way I feel like you have. I told you you had to work for my vote, so work.
1. You approached me about and alliance with us, Zavi, and Joe. You then turned around and voted me out that tribal. What was the point in this alliance if you wanted me gone soon?
2. You said that I left because I wouldnt vote Rich that round, but then you said you wanted to make sure I didnt bid on the idol. I call bullshit on this one. Rich probably had nothing to do with it. Explain to me exactly what went down to get me out. And dont contradict yourself like you did before.
3. Where did I actually stand with you?? You're clearly good at forming relationships, so go back to the first round of merge and rank each person and where they stood with you. Explain each spot.
Now onto some stuff for each of you. My vote is up in the air right now, and while I may sound a bit bitter, I'm really not. It's a game, and people have different ideas on how this game should be played. They have different ideas on whats right, and whats wrong. Thats what makes Survivor so exciting.
And speaking of Survivor, I would be breaking a tradition if I didnt include this final question. How well do you know the people you had a hand in voting out?
Take each juror and F3 (yes including yourself) and relate them to a former Survivor player. Explain why you chose this person, and find a picture of said castaway that you think sums up said iSurvivors game.
Good luck to the three of you.
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Joe
Joe
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 0:30:42 GMT
Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 0:30:42 GMT
Billy, I'll do your survivor comparison later tonight as I don't have the time right this minute to search but I hope that answered your questions.
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Post by kurtis on Aug 28, 2013 3:30:10 GMT
If you (or anyone else) had blindsided me out of the game I would have nothing but admiration for you. I came into the game expecting people to lie to me and I assumed other people did too. I don't think I crossed any lines of morality in my actions with you or anyone else, which I think is how I was able to retain great relationships with everyone in the game despite voting out their bff the round before. In terms of the "blahblahblah" thing, you KNOW that's just how I am... I meant NO disrespect by it and I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings. I probably said it as an indicator that telling you how much I love you after voting you out will always come across as fake, no matter how legitimate someone is trying to be. So, no, the brush off wasn't intentional at all. 1. I was targeting Bryan that council, but Sassy was pushing hard for you and I saw it as an opportunity to break up you/Rich/Joe while saving Bryan for the round after. I still wanted Sassy as an option to work with in the game, and to retain her, I had to vote you out. As you explained, we had a group of 5 people in an 8 person game (at that point). Whenever an alliance gets too large it makes me nervous because someone is going to realize they're 5th and jump ship eventually--the extra numbers just complicates things. 2. A large part of why I voted you out that round was your complete unwillingness to vote out Rich. As stated, when someone tells me they will not do something or I feel like their allegiance is shared between myself and others, it cues me into the need to make a move. I don't know if you had even thought out a scenario where you, me, Rich, and Joe are the final 4 and you're deciding who leaves, but I didn't want to even give you that opportunity. I'm not sure what you're saying about the idol thing... too many idols this game to keep track of ,you can let me know if you want me to respond to it. 3. I don't know if I don't understand this question or you're not understanding my game. Every single round I reevaluated where everyone "ranked" with me and shuffled accordingly. The round before (when Jacob left), you would probably be ranked 3rd after Joe and Sassy, but you see how quickly that changed. Going INTO merge, I would have ranked people as follows: 1. Jacob-I wanted to go to the end with him because I knew how volatile he was. As long as he was feuding with someone who wasn't me, I would be in the clear. Also he made me LAUGH like no one's business. He brought the game to life and made it more interesting for me. 2. Joe- His closeness with Jacob/Sassy AND to Billy/Rich/Cody gave me a huge "in" to both groups. I knew he was a logical player who would do whatever was in his best interest, so as long as I could predict that working with him was easy. 3. Billy- I wanted you to float along with Joe and I because I didn't see you as a threat and you were easy to talk to and strategize with. Of course, this changed in later rounds when you continued to not use your black rock and Rich became less of a target. There was nothing good about keeping both of you for too long. 4. Cody- Many people (Jacob, Sassy mainly) were NOT big fans of Cody going into merge. I saved him that first round because I wanted to keep the Jacob/Cody feud alive as long as possible. My plans changed once Cody began talking strategy with Jacob and I knew I had to get him out before his target diminished too much. He was one of the only ones I was never able to fully work with. 5. Sassy- Jacob's right hand woman. I liked having her around because she was VERY predictable. When she wasn't happy with something or someone, by golly you knew it. A predictable player is a good player to keep around. Of course, I also knew very early on that any sort of victory against her would be EXTREMELY hard to swing, so she was on my short list starting 3-4 rounds after merge. 6. Zavi- I love him so much. I knew that he was going to get far based on being well liked but I always had to keep him on my radar because I knew he would plot against me eventually. That wily minx!! 7. Rich- Because I wanted Billy to move forward, I wanted to take out Rich sooner rather than later. Eventually he became a lot less desired than Billy and therefore kinda swapped placed with him, but for the merge round, he was the blue I wanted to take out first. 8. TJ- I was super threatened by him and his mysterious ways.... which kind of turn me on, but also effing scare me in the game. 9. John- From the very first round I knew I love loved him and needed to get him out ASAP. He is an extremely good player who could've played the exact same game I played with his ability to retain likability while thinking strategically. 10. Bryan- I was trying to get the new red tribe to vote him out like final 14... he ended up having 9 lives but Bryan always was one of my biggest targets because I honestly feel like he was the very best player besides me. A testament to his awesomeness is that I tried to get him out, no joke, 3-4 times but all of them flopped until I was finally able to 3-2-2 him in final 7. As you can see, NONE of these ranking are based on who I liked the most or who I was best friends with, and every single round these ranking would flop around because strategy is always changing. I like EVERYONE who played the game. I signed up to play a game, not to hurt anyone's feelings or play for the nice guy finish at like 6th place. While in the game, I got to know some cool people, but I thought of you all as players in terms of the game. I hope that's not offensive to anyone it isn't my intent. I'll get to your comparisons in a bit!!
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Joe
Joe
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 3:54:26 GMT
Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 3:54:26 GMT
I want to first say that I've only seen a few seasons of survivor so please take this as best you can. John - Dr. Sean, most notably because I thought you were a nice funny guy who came into merge not really knowing what was up. Just like Dr. Sean's alphabet strategy Cody - John Cochran - Smart guy who can turn on the challenge beast when needed. Incredibly smart and perceptive. That sunburn is sexy too. Jacob - Eddie Fox - Cute guy who was overeager then fell short. Your walking definitely helped me though. Billy - Grant Mattos - Hot guy who is strong at challenges and was well liked. All the attributes of someone you'd prefer not to sit with in the end. Bryan - Reynold Toepfer - Attractive male with strong characteristics. You're a fighter for sure and never give up. Sassy - Elizabeth Hasselbeck - Mostly because you're super cute and feisty T.J. - Pete Yurkowski - My day 1 boyfriend! Rich and a few others would understand this as we gawked at all the cuties in this game. I said T.J. was my ideal match Zavi - Skupin - adorable and somewhat in the know. Loyal and nice guy who wants to do the right thing. Rich - Phillip Sheppard - Warm gentle guy who can sometimes rub people the wrong way. You're loyal and genuine like Phillip. Kurtis - Colby Donaldson - 2nd place cutie who played a great game Joe - Brian Heidik - From what I understand he betrayed allies and had a bloody game and still won. That's the goal here!
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John
John
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 4:02:20 GMT
Joe likes this
Post by John on Aug 28, 2013 4:02:20 GMT
For everyone keeping score at home, Joe thinks I'm both an emotional player and clueless.
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Joe
Joe
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 4:05:10 GMT
Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 4:05:10 GMT
Also cute, and a Doctor!
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John
John
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 4:06:46 GMT
Post by John on Aug 28, 2013 4:06:46 GMT
I can't wait to see how I'm insulted next!
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Post by kurtis on Aug 28, 2013 4:20:53 GMT
lol ok this was more fun and less irksome than I thought it would be:
John: Eric C. (Samoa) Had an agenda of his own but never got to enact it because folks saw him as a threat who needed to leave before he could get any leverage.
Cody: Jeff V. (Australia) Comes across extremely shady and calculating. Someone who was going to try whatever he could to worm himself into a power position.
Jacob: Corinne (Gabon) I had a hard time choose between she and Courtney Y., but I think Corinne was a player who actually had a strategy to pair with her biting wit, so I went with her. Jacob is a VERY smart dude whose inability to make nice with everyone worked to his detriment.
Billy: Burton (Pearl Islands) Nice guy who was straight forward and logical to speak with. Strong player who was taken out near the end.
Bryan: Erik H. (China) I know this feels like a weird pick for the guy I just said was the best at the game other than myself, but honestly if he touched the end game he would have killed any of us. He was well liked and sailed through the game with the relationships he made with others. Also.. VIRGIN. lolol
TJ: Gregg (Palau) Laid in wait for most of the game before trying to take out Tom/Ian, just got to the punch a little too late. Also, sexy as fuck.
Sassy: ELIZA (Vanuatu/Micronesia) This was by FAR the easiest. She SCREAMS Eliza! Absolutely lovable, but unable to keep her mouth shut when she had a plan or was angry with someone. The underdog EVERY gay man will root for.
Zavi: Darrah (Pearl Islands) Pretty much coasted to the end of the game. Was always on the short list to be voted out prior to merge, but once merge hit he became a likable player who worked as a number in people's favor.
Rich: Susie (Gabon) Got to the end but had NO IDEA how he did it. Basically, he wasn't in on most of the game play and is here because I figured I can beat him. Of course, Susie got 3 votes and almost won the game, so let's see how THAT goes for me. lol
Joe: Lex (Africa/All Stars) Played the "strictly business" card as he cut all of his friends' throats. An emotional player who plays emotionlessly unless he is the one being duped.
Kurtis: Kim (One World) YES I GIVE MYSELF THE KIM CARD. She played an extremely calculating game and thought of each of the players as pieces she needed to manipulate and maneuver through in order to make it to the end. She remained likable throughout the season despitestaying in charge.
I'll give you your pictures later. Dear god you're demanding, Billy. lolol
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 4:38:09 GMT
Post by Billy on Aug 28, 2013 4:38:09 GMT
The pictures were more to make this thread seem more aesthetically pleasing than I was willing to make it.
Do it, Don't do it, I'm satisfied with what I have heard from you. Also Joe didn't do it so whateva.
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 13:38:44 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 28, 2013 13:38:44 GMT
Just for you
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 14:21:47 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 28, 2013 14:21:47 GMT
John - very smart player, very good at challenges, and one tough cookie! Kelly Goldsmith is one of my favorite all-time survivor player. BTW, she now has a PhD and is a faculty member at Northwestern University. Kelly got screwed really bad.....and that's what happened to John. John is also a very sweet guy, which some people might say Kelly wasn't but I thought she was pretty and sweet, just like John. Cody - Rob C! People thought you were shady and wasn't sure whether to trust you or not. But I thought you were trustworthy in this game and you knew what was going on. Rob C played a great game and also I felt like you both played a similar game....he tried to connect with people and was upfront with those he didn't like.. (Jacob) Jacob - I think that you were definitely the Naonka of the season! She was a tough competitor and she was REALLY REALLY VOCAL! And so are you! Unfortunately, she had to leave the game and so did you...BUT I honestly think if she had not left, she would have made it to the end, just like you would have had you not left the game! This is not an insult in any way, take this as a compliment. I liked her! Billy - Kathy from all-stars and Marquesas was well-liked and deserving to win the game! But she didn't and got screwed. I talked about this in my video but I see you playing the game like her, and just like her, she had her allies set but she was not able to take control of the game at that point in all-stars. She was strong, like you, and definitely a great ally! Love her!!!! Got screwed by Rob and Amber (Joe and Kurtis) Bryan - Brian H definitely. Except he made it to the end...and you didn't. Although he was good at challenges, and so are you! You were also a great talker! I think that you were very good with your words and how you talked to people in this game. Also--Brian H respected the game and wanted people to have chances, and I felt that you had the same approach and wanted to compete with the best TJ - Definitely the Kim Powers of this game! She was aligned with Brandon...and I will get to this next....anyways, Kim was sweet and well-liked and was told by people she wasn't a threat. She also voted by tribal lines and I think TJ trusted the people he wanted to trust just like Kim. She was also a bit quiet and wasn't that vocal. I saw TJ as quiet and at least with me, he didn't do much game talk and I don't think Kim did that. But Kim is on my top 10 favorite players of all time!!! Sassy - Brandon from Africa. He was an emotional player and definitely cutthroat too! Sassy was definitely on the game all the time and she thought of every possible move. She wanted things her way, just like Brandon did. People in Africa wanted to trust Brandon but wasn't sure....and that's how I felt. I wanted to trust her, actually, I did at some point then I got stabbed. LOL. Brandon was funny and Sassy too Zavi - Jennifer Lyon! She was sweet and honest and definitely played her beauty and smarts in the game. Zavi was competitive and loyal to those who said that they would be loyal to him. Just like Jenn, Zavi trusted people that he wanted to trust and played the game the best he knew. Talked to the right people at the right time, and gathered information as appropriate. Kurtis- You are definitely the Amber...and you had a Rob in this game...will get to that later. Amber was smart and pretty, just like you. She used her beauty and charm, just like you, and although some people think she was sweet and honest (like I thought) she was focused in the game and cutthroat. I am talking about her game play in all-stars. She won the game and I think Kurtis will win this game Joe - definitely Rob M! He manipulated and controlled EVERY VOTE AT EVERY TC. Just like in all-stars, people came to Joe for each round on who to vote for and people threw names, which ROB (and AMBER) decided together who to vote for, just like what Kurtis and Joe did in this game. As player, I think Rob was great and so is Joe, but he had to hurt people in the game to make it to the end...just like Joe. I didn't know if I should give myself Sandra or Shii-Ann, but I decided with Sandra. Sandra stayed loyal to those who she was aligned. She also did not care much about the vote as long as it was not her, like I did. She reported information to Rupert and Christa, and I did the same in this game. I reported to Kurtis and Joe! Anyways, she won the game but I probably won't. So that might be the BIG difference. I hope this answered your question. Enjoy!
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 18:57:17 GMT
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Post by sassy on Aug 28, 2013 18:57:17 GMT
Lol Rich you did not want to work with me shut up lol. If you "trusted" me you would not have voted Bryan and would have talked to me about how u were votin so i didnt have to be worried about your vote... so technically it was me that got backstabbed by you
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 19:03:32 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 28, 2013 19:03:32 GMT
Lol Rich you did not want to work with me shut up lol. If you "trusted" me you would not have voted Bryan and would have talked to me about how u were votin so i didnt have to be worried about your vote... so technically it was me that got backstabbed by you Sassy, I will answer your question, Don't worry. And yes, I wanted to work with you at that point, you will see. Hang in there
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Billy
Aug 28, 2013 19:04:29 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 28, 2013 19:04:29 GMT
Lol Rich you did not want to work with me shut up lol. If you "trusted" me you would not have voted Bryan and would have talked to me about how u were votin so i didnt have to be worried about your vote... so technically it was me that got backstabbed by you I told you I was NOT voting for you...wait, this is Billy's thread
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