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Sassy
Aug 27, 2013 3:10:16 GMT
Post by Host Sandy on Aug 27, 2013 3:10:16 GMT
Sassy, please post your Questions/Statements to Joe, Kurtis & Rich here.
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Sassy
Aug 28, 2013 1:34:17 GMT
Post by sassy on Aug 28, 2013 1:34:17 GMT
First I want to say congratulations to all 3 of you for making it to the end. Though I do not agree with some of the tactics some of you have used to get yourself to the end, you made it regardless and now it's time for me to cast my vote. I want to start off by saying that Joe, just because I have had personal issues with you, you and Kurtis have both seemed to play very similar games, so I won't disregard your game play completely depending on how you answer these questions.
So anyways I will leave Joe to the end cuz I have more to say to him so let's begin with:
Rich
You know, you said you wanted to work with me the round that Bryan left because you felt I was "protected" and that you wanted to work with someone to get you as far as you can whether or not that be 6th place, 5th place, or whatever as long as you don't get 7th. You told me that you would vote however I was voting and that you would go with whichever side I was to choose. After that conversation we never touched base again and you voted for Bryan, thus voiding everything you basically told me at that point. You then held me responsible for voting for you when you know that I was told the votes were going to fall between me or you so I wanted to ensure I stay (obviously). I guess that was just a lie and that you didn't want to ever consider working with me since you were clearly with Joe anyways. You also told me that you felt bad for me with how Joe was treating me, and how you hope that you didn't come across as someone buying into Joe's BS and completely ignoring me for the past few rounds only to go to the TC where I was evicted and say "people talk" and basically throwing all of that away. I feel like you were basically hiding behind Joe and just following what he would do. Anyways... on to my questions
1. Did you ever consider working with me and actually doing something or was that just another one of your conversations much like the one you had with Jacob when you decided to campaign to get him out?
2. Why do you think that you deserve to win over Kurtis or Joe?
3. Name one big move that you felt like you made and a point in the game where you single handedly controlled the way a vote was going to go because you influenced people to vote your way.
Kurtis
You know from watching your confessional it seems you played a really good game strategically and socially regardless of whether or not I fell victim to it. You somehow were in the know and had everyone run to you and tell you everything because you were playing everyone. However, you knew that Joe was pretty self centred and you could see that he was letting go of his allies one by one, getting blood on his hands every time that someone got evicted. You somehow managed to skate by clean. I remember approaching you at final 5 and said that we should vote him out because at final 4 he was going to most likely try to vote you out and you told me "oh well Sassy if he does it's a game" not really caring and thinking about the fact that I could be right. Final 4 comes around and he did try to get you out, then you won immunity. So now I want to know...
1. Why would you trust the biggest liar in the game, especially considering that he was voting out his closest allies and friends and had no problem getting blood on his hands? Did it ever cross your mind that maybe he would try to do the same to you?
2. You told me at the TC that I was voted out at that "Joe was upset IRL" with things that I said to him, knowing that I have been upset because I felt as though he was going to people and basically saying anything negative about me to get them to not want to work with me and talk to me. You being a friend I would imagine that you could see that happening or were you just "Joe misted" like the rest of us and actually believed that he was upset?
3. You kept saying that you wanted you, me and Joe at the end and it would be all rainbows and butterflies and the 3 of us would live happily ever after. Was that ever the case? Did you honestly believe Joe would be down for that?
Joe
We definitely haven’t had the best relationship towards the end of the game. You know I really trusted you which was obviously my downfall in this game. After you backstabbed me the first time, I against my better judgement, fell for your lies of how bad you felt and how you wanted to make it work with me and you and Jacob and you wanted to prove yourself to be trustworthy to us. That was until Jacob left and I just became disposable to you. I definitely do not agree with your tactics in that you chose to completely disregard me as a person and make me out to look so negatively to other people in the game to have them work with you. When Kurtis had said that I made you “IRL upset” it basically confirms the measures you have taken with me. Anyways that being said I won’t completely disregard your game play because I do feel you should be given the chance to argue your case for my vote as I am still undecided after watching Kurtis’s statement and I would like to give you the opportunity to “redeem” yourself as well.
1. You said in your statement that you voted Billy to “gain my trust” only to turn around and want me out 2 rounds later. I feel like this was pretty pointless. Why did you not just vote me out at this point if you felt like you wanted me out, and keep your ally that you had in the game? I just feel like this was a mixture of bad game play and poor jury management.
2. I approached you with wanting to vote Kurtis when I had immunity and you said no, he would be easy to take out at final 5. You then failed 2 rounds in a row to get him out and now he’s sitting in the finals with you. Do you regret not taking the opportunity when I had approached you about it?
3. I am going to give you one last time to admit to your faults in the game. Keep in mind that I talk to people as well, and that some people have apologized for listening to you. Why did you feel the need to turn on me, knowing that I was loyal to you, and to completely make me out to look so negatively to people in the game to have no one even want to associate themselves with me? Knowing I was going to the jury, and would obviously discuss it with them, was that smart jury play on you?
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Joe
Joe
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Sassy
Aug 28, 2013 2:45:53 GMT
Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 2:45:53 GMT
I'm sorry for how the game went down. While I definitely got blood on my hands I did not mean to hurt you or any of the jurors personally. The only person in the game that I can say I 100% tried to get to not trust you was Zavi and it worked. I never said anything derogatory other than that I didn't know if people could trust you and that you had been a little mean/upset with me over prior votes. There was nothing about your character or personality that I spread amongst the group. Again I'm sorry for hurting you as I felt it was the best way for me to get through the game.
1. You said in your statement that you voted Billy to “gain my trust” only to turn around and want me out 2 rounds later. I feel like this was pretty pointless. Why did you not just vote me out at this point if you felt like you wanted me out, and keep your ally that you had in the game? I just feel like this was a mixture of bad game play and poor jury management.
At the time I was not 100% sure of if/when I was going to vote you out. I still had faith that a final with you could be possible. Billy was sitting in a better spot and thats why he had to go. You convinced me pretty well with things I was already thinking prior to that vote. Billy was an option for myself and Kurtis to vote, but definitely not the only one. We wanted your trust so that the Bryan blindside could happen. The timing felt bad for me with voting Billy out but it was going to happen at one point or another.
2. I approached you with wanting to vote Kurtis when I had immunity and you said no, he would be easy to take out at final 5. You then failed 2 rounds in a row to get him out and now he’s sitting in the finals with you. Do you regret not taking the opportunity when I had approached you about it?
I can only regret not winning the immunity challenges. TJ has already told me that I'd be close to a win had I voted Kurtis out but if that vote had occurred, I would then have a harder time getting to the end by losing Zavi/Rich immediately and all it would take is either you or TJ to vote me out at final 5. After the way the game shaped up I made the best decision I could to make it to this final tribal. While making moves is important, making sure that you can make it to the end is just as important.
3. I am going to give you one last time to admit to your faults in the game. Keep in mind that I talk to people as well, and that some people have apologized for listening to you. Why did you feel the need to turn on me, knowing that I was loyal to you, and to completely make me out to look so negatively to people in the game to have no one even want to associate themselves with me? Knowing I was going to the jury, and would obviously discuss it with them, was that smart jury play on you?
My faults in this game were quite abundant, that is why I have so much blood! Throughout the game I worked with too many people. In a perfect world I should have been able to have many eliminations go like the John vote, where the person going knows I cast a vote their way but did not know whether or not I was the main catalyst for their demise. The way the game was shaped up I initially thought I was in for pre jury but was able to use my relationships with quite a few people to further myself and also weakening the group mentality. I had to turn on you because I could not with 100% certainty believe that you would take me to the end. That is the only reason I wanted you to go when you did. After reading your question it seems like I misjudged that trust and taking you would have been great. I still would miss a few votes in a final tribal against you but I definitely should have reassessed that. I'll again say that I did not make you look like a negative person. That does not fall on me. I'm sorry if it came across that way but it just isn't the case. You are a lovely person and I truly do care about you but I was definitely 100% selfish. I did what was in my best interest to make it to the end. After this game I hope you and everyone else can get passed the drama of this online survivor game.
Had Sandy told me that you Jacob Cody and Jermin were playing prior to the start I most likely would have passed on the opportunity because I had no idea what I was getting into. I fully regret the way conversations went down but I do not think the total blame should be on me. We were all playing a cutthroat game. Kurtis Rich and Zavi all told me about how you wanted to vote me out a few times. I can't fault you for playing the game and I hope that you'll understand why I did what I did. With your elimination I definitely knew that Ponderosa was going to get a little bit more upset with each individual person that was sent there. The talk going around there must definitely be that Kurtis played a clean cutthroat game, Joe was a monster and liar, and Rich was a floater. Given the merge/group of people there I did what I had to do to make it to the final tribal council. Had I not done the moves each week that I did, I do not think I'd be sitting here in the final three today. I hope this clears things up and if you vote for me I'll of course appreciate it. Regardless my skype will be available for you and others after the game. Thanks for reading this wall of text!
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Post by kurtis on Aug 28, 2013 12:58:12 GMT
Lemme know if you need more!
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Sassy
Aug 28, 2013 14:25:57 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 28, 2013 14:25:57 GMT
Joe----me, a floater? Really?
Sassy, will answer your questions in a bit.
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Joe
Joe
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Sassy
Aug 28, 2013 14:47:14 GMT
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Post by Joe on Aug 28, 2013 14:47:14 GMT
Sorry floater is the wrong term I guess I should have said that you were less visible in regards to votes and blood! You did not float!
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Sassy
Aug 29, 2013 4:27:43 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 29, 2013 4:27:43 GMT
Hi Sassy,
I hope you are doing well.
1. Did you ever consider working with me and actually doing something or was that just another one of your conversations much like the one you had with Jacob when you decided to campaign to get him out?
YES---I absolutely considered working with you. That phone conversation we had was honest and genuine. At that point in the game, I wanted to make sure that I could make some moves that were not too predictable (just following Kurtis and Joe) but at the same time, I needed someone who wouldn't vote against me (just like Kurtis and Joe). Unfortunately, you decided that if it was between you and I, you didn't want to really switch the votes and save me....so in my eyes, I did what I promised you. NOT vote for you. So yes I really wanted to work with you, then when I saw the votes that round, I knew that I couldn't...oh well.
2. Why do you think that you deserve to win over Kurtis or Joe?
I deserve to win because I played a different game. Most of you were doing the SAME exact thing I was doing, only I made it to the final tribal council. You all were coming to Joe and Kurtis for advice about the vote and trusted them. Except, they decided to vote you off for whatever reason, but they didn't to me. So I could just be well sitting at the jury side had they not taken me and decided to vote me out earlier, but the way the game was played....I got to the end with them. So, I played a different game than these two, the way I knew how to play this game.
3. Name one big move that you felt like you made and a point in the game where you single handedly controlled the way a vote was going to go because you influenced people to vote your way.
Unfortunately, there was no TC that I controlled. I knew when Cody got the boot that I could never control any votes, and my best chance of staying was to stick with Joe and Kurtis. So I guess as far as votes, I followed Joe and Kurtis except when Billy and Cody got the boot. One big move was when Jacob left, I knew I had to lay low....I guess to me that was a move in the game, but to some, it may be not.
Good luck in deciding who to vote for. You will always be my Mortal Instruments: City of Bones, friend.
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Post by sassy on Aug 29, 2013 4:33:50 GMT
So by telling me that you want to go with whatever I choose, whether it be working with TJ and Bryan or with Kurtis and Joe, you didn't really mean that because you were already with Kurtis and Joe so no, you didn't want to work with me, you wanted to ensure that you were just safe and that I would not vote you basically. If you had wanted to work with me, you would have asked me how to vote and then Bryan and I could have possibly swinged votes to get Kurtis out that round instead. So you don't really have an argument... I don't think you really remember what we talked about or if you know what WORKING WITH someone means but if you don't vote WITH me, or you choose to vote a different way, you're not really working together... or am I incorrect on this?
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Sassy
Aug 29, 2013 4:35:50 GMT
Post by Rich Z. on Aug 29, 2013 4:35:50 GMT
I don't think I can ever please you, or the way I answer your questions. That's ok. You can believe whatever you want, but I think I said my piece. Good luck with voting. Thanks for taking the time.
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Sassy
Aug 29, 2013 4:44:19 GMT
Post by sassy on Aug 29, 2013 4:44:19 GMT
I don't think you really understand my point that I'm trying to make... you voting Bryan out didn't help me. Bryan being my only closest ally aside from Jacob going like really hurt my game so in the end you doing that and listening to Joe shows that you aren't with me, you were with Joe/Kurtis and basically against me. You should've known that would hurt my game and for someone to say they want to HELP ME and WORK WITH ME, that doesn't show that you're trying to help me. It shows that you were following Joe/Kurtis and that there was no point in the conversation.
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